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German Thaler 1867 A Silver Coin from Prussia

This 1867 Vereinsthaler is in well circulated condition, but has plenty of detail on the high points. I would grade it in VF30 condition.

German Thaler 1867 A Silver Coin from Prussia Obverse

German Thaler 1867 A Silver Coin from Prussia Obverse

The obverse shows the bust of King Wilhelm I, first Emperor of a unified Germany. It was minted in 1867, when he was ‘merely’ the King of Prussia. The legend reads “Wilhelm Koenig von Preussen” and the mint mark is below Wilhelm’s neck.

German Thaler 1867 A Silver Coin from Prussia Reverse

German Thaler 1867 A Silver Coin from Prussia Reverse

On the reverse, there’s a German Imperial eagle with it’s wings spread and legs akimbo. The left leg holds a sword, while the right holds a globus cruciger. This Prussian Coat of Arms was apparently adopted from the Lesser Arms of the Prince-Elector of Brandenburg that had been in use since 1686. The legend around the rim of the coin from 7:00 to 5:00 CW reads “Ein Vereinsthaler XXX Ein Pfun Fein” and the date is at 6:00 under the eagle’s tail feathers.

Identification code: KM-494

Date: 1867

Mint Mark: A (Berlin)

Mintage: 31,390,000

Country of origin: Prussia (German Precursor State)

Composition: 90% silver

Weight: 18.5g (0.536 oz ASW)

Other details: The denomination of Taler was dropped around 1871, but it remained in circulation and was used as a 3 mark piece. Also, I picked this up at an estate sale.

Estimated Value: $35 with silver at ~$31/oz

Coin - Prussia - Thaler - 1867 03

Coin – Prussia – Thaler – 1867 03

Coin - Prussia - Thaler - 1867 04

Coin – Prussia – Thaler – 1867 04

France Silver 5 Franc Coin from 1867 A

This coin was rescued from a dealer’s melt bin. I am not certain of its grade, but would place it somewhere betweenVG8 and VF20. F12 is my best estimate.

The obverse shows the bust of Emperor Napoleon III facing to the left, wearing a laurel wreath. This is called a ‘laureate head 5 franc’. The legend reads “Napoleon III Empereur”. The Emperor has both a mustache and a spiked chin beard. The mint mark is at 5:00 and the artist’s signature “Barre” is at 6:00.

Belgium Silver 5 Franc Coin 1867 Obverse

France Silver 5 Franc Coin 1867 A Obverse

The reverse shows an archaic crest of France (the Monarchist / Bonaparte crest). It appears to have crossed scepters against a cloak, topped with a crown, and with an eagle emblem in the center (with the eagle facing chest-on to the viewer, with wings spread and its head turned to the right, holding a lightning bolt in its talons). Under the eagle dangles the collar of the French Legion of Honor. The legend reads “Empire Francais”, the denomination is written on either side of the crest “5 – F” and the date is at 6:00.  An anchor at 5:00 is the engraver’s mark, and a blob at 7:00 is the mint director’s mark (the BB mint uses a cross, but I can’t figure out what this mark is).

Belgium 1867 5 Franc Silver Coin Reverse

Belgium 1867 5 Franc Silver Coin Reverse

Identification code: KM-799.1

Date: 1867

Mint Mark: A (Paris)

Mintage: 6,586,000 (approximately 60% of the 5 Franc coins minted that year). Despite the inbalance, the A mint mark appears to be a bit scarcer than the BB. There is also some controversy about how many were minted with the B/B mintmark – it appears that between 4,224,000 and 4,337,636 were minted (a significant discrepancy, but still less than a 3% difference)

Country of origin: France

Composition: 90% Silver

Size: 37 mm, with edge lettering “Dieu Protege La France”

Weight: 25 g. (0.7234 troy oz ASW)

Other details: There are apparently many counterfeits of this coin. Many of the counterfeits make an obvious mistake with the edge – this coin should have edge lettering, not edge reeding.

The French had both a silver and gold 5 franc at this time. The gold coin is very similar, but it is obviously smaller and has a few compressed design elements. The portrait also faces the other direction (to the right).

1857 5 franc gold

1857 5 franc gold

The artist was named Albert Désiré Barré and lived from 1818 to 1878. I gather that he was highly thought of and widely sought after for his flattering portraiture.

Estimated Value: $30-45 with silver around $30/oz